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"Plan of Attack," the newest book from Washington Post
Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward, chronicles a turning
point in history as President George W. Bush, his war council,
and allies launch a preemptive attack on Iraq, toppling Saddam
Hussein and taking over the country. From in-depth interviews and
documents, Woodward provides an authoritative narrative of the
administration's actions over two years and examines the causes
and consequences of the most controversial war since Vietnam.
What emerges is an astonishingly intimate portrait of the
President, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Colin
Powell, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, CIA Director George
Tenet, General Tommy Franks, other members of the war council and
the White House staff, as well as key foreign leaders ranging
from British Prime Minister Blair to Russian President Putin.
Woodward was online Tuesday, April 20 at 1 p.m. ET, to discuss
his book and the behind-the-scenes maneuvering leading up to the
war in Iraq.
Woodward's best-selling books include "Bush at War,"
"Maestro: Greenspan's Fed and the American Boom,"
"Shadow: Five Presidents and the Legacy of Watergate,"
"The Commanders," "Veil: The Secret Wars of the
CIA," "The Brethren," "The Agenda" and
"The Choice." Woodward also analyzes politics and
interviews guests regularly on CNN's "Larry King Live."
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Atlanta, Ga.: Mr.
Woodward: What is the reason/motive behind your writing of this
book?
Bob Woodward: The most important decision President Bush made is
launching the war and the invasion of Iraq. I have attempted to
find out how and why he did. It covers more than two years of his
presidency and I was able to get perhaps as much new information
about what really happened as I have had in any of the 12 books
I've done.
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washingtonpost.com: You've had access to this and other
administrations that no other journalist has. How does this White
House's decision-making process, and this president's personality
in that respect, compare to others?
Bob Woodward: This is not a comparative study. I focused on
trying to find out precisely what happened -- what the decision
points were, the debate, the recommendations and advice were that
came to the president. Sec. of Defense Rumsfeld is quoted saying
that President Bush's style and decision-making is very much like
former President Reagan's. There's some evidence of that, but I
wanted to get the book done before the election and the high
election season, so I haven't had time to compare Bush with his
father, or Reagan or Clinton or Nixon.
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Indian Head, Md.: Hi Mr. Woodward, looking forward to reading
your book.
It is very scary some of the things you said on "60
Minutes" last Sunday, especially the one about Mr. Bush, of
what he belives, divine mission on his presidency. Paraphrasing
Richard Cohen, I couldn't see the difference between him and one
of the Iranian Ayatollahs.
But, what concern me the most is the polling. Just this morning
The Washington Post released the results of polling and Bush is
gaining again. It doesn't make any sense. It has to be something
flawed in the system (Polls showed Dean ahead in the primaries,
and we all know who is the nominee). How could be ahead with the
terrible past few weeks? The truth is most Americans have their
mind made up and maybe a 10 percent of the electorate is at play.
As you wrote your book, did you ever thought if it would have an
impact in the elections? I hope it does.
washingtonpost.com: Poll Shows New Gains for Bush, (Post, April
20)
Bob Woodward: First, this book was not written to have impact on
anything. It is merely to do what Len Downie, the editor of The
Post, calls "accountability reporting." In the
interviews I did with the President he raised religion twice, I
believe. The first time saying that he sought strength and
appealed to strength from a "higher father." And on the
day he gave the final order for war, he prayed that he more or
less be a good messenger of God's will. As best I can tell, this
is pretty standard Christian theology. Though he feels really
strongly about this, I think if anything he has a strong secular
mission as he said, "a duty to free people." Meaning
liberation of those living in oppression.
That seems to be a large factor in his feeling that the Iraq war
was absolutely the right thing to do.
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Columbia, Md.: Mr. Woodward,
Thank you for taking our questions.
Has Director Tenet made any response to the book's passage in
which a seemingly skeptical President Bush questions him on the
CIA's WMD presentation and the Director twice states, "It's
a slam dunk?" Also, did anyone you spoke to, during your
interviews for the book, indicate that addressing and fixing the
intelligence failures manifested by the WMD findings is a
priority, or does the administration still hold out hope that
some evidence of WMDs will be found in Iraq?
Bob Woodward: First, I'm not aware of anything Tenet has said in
response to the book.
Second, the administration and the President have said they still
believe they will find weapons of mass destruction.
To me, the evidence would suggest that's very doubtful, but not
impossible. When Tenet said the WMD case was a "slam
dunk," it was a very colorful and emphatic restatement of
what the CIA had said two months earlier in its National
Intelligence Estimate. But clearly the President's skepticism
about the presentation made by Tenet's deputy should have been a
warning that maybe there's a weakness in the case.
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Canton, Ohio: Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil told us that
George Bush questioned the need for another round of tax cuts for
the wealthy, saying that maybe the middle class ought to be next.
Karl Rove, claims O'Neil, kept whispering about
"principles" and the president caved. In your book, we
learn that his first response to intelligence about WMD was
"That's all you have?"
I now suspect that the president's initial instincts are pretty
darn good and show a strong streak of common sense, but that the
more doctrinaire members of his administration push him to the
brink of disaster with their mutterings about conservative
"principles." What do you think?
Bob Woodward: The president, when I interviewed him, he said
repeatedly that he is a gut player, that he follows his instincts
and was clearly on to something here. But as the CEO he perhaps
should have followed and pushed that instinct harder. At the same
time, all kinds of people were convinced that WMD were there and
there was a body of evidence to suggest that was correct. The
intelligence mistake was failing to explain that the CIA lacked
ironclad evidence -- absolute proof or a smoking gun. The overall
judgment or opinion that Saddam had WMD is reasonable but the
President and everyone should have been signalled that this was
only intelligence and not fact.
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Smyrna, Tenn.: Bob, I'm curious.
As a budding college journalism student, I'm wondering if the
book "Bush at War," was basically a more flattering,
less critical book about Bush and all that laid the foundations
for you to establish a trusting relationship with the
administration so that the second book could explore more deeply
the flawed ideological nature of the Bush White House?
Bob Woodward: That is not the case. This book, "Plan of
Attack," is not a one-dimensional portrait of the president
or the administration. People are going to read it very
differently depending on what they bring to the book. I was
surprised and frankly somewhat happy that both the Bush/Cheney
campaign and the Kerry campaign have put the book on the
recommended reading lists on their Web sites.
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Arlington, Va.: Your book "The Commanders" deals with
many of the same people as "Plan of Attack." How do you
think Cheney, Powell, etc., have changed since then?
Bob Woodward: I report in the book that Powell feels that Cheney
lost some of his coolness and developed a "fever" about
al Qaeda, terrorism and Iraq. Powell has pretty consistently
maintained his status as the reluctant warrior, a trait I first
identified in "The Commanders." The two represent two
very different world views. Powell is cautious, a natural
diplomat and inclined to avoid the use of military force. Cheney
has a much more Kissinger-like view of the Real Politik of
foreign affairs and believes, particularly in the case of Saddam
Hussein, that diplomacy was a waste of time and after years of
fooling the U.N. and the world, Saddam just needed to be taken
out.
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New York, N.Y.: When you interviewed the President, was he alone
with you, or did Cheney also attend (or someone else, like Karl
Rove, Karen Hughes, Condi Rice, etc.)?
Bob Woodward: The interviews with the President -- attending were
Condi Rice and Dan Bartlett. That's it.
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San Diego, Calif.: Mr. Woodward,
This is not the first time that you have been accused of
misrepresenting facts about "insider" meetings in your
books... in fact, it is not the first time you have been accused
of doing so by Colin Powell. He took exception in his
autobiography to your categorization in The Commanders of his
"hesitancy" to go to war during the first Gulf War
(when he laid out all options, including sanctions). Are these
attempts to save face on Powell's part, or have you laid out as
"fact" (in that book and this one) events/actions that
are actually only interpretations on your part as Powell, Bandar
and Rice have suggested?
Bob Woodward: First of all, these are all reported events based
on interviews with people who were there, documents and notes. In
the case of Powell and "The Commanders," if you go back
and read Powell's autobiography, you will find Powell discusses
what I wrote saying that he was in effect a reluctant warrior and
Powell then writes a one-word sentence. Which is,
"Guilty."
He confirmed and the only dispute he had with what I had written
was the timing of one of the meetings. I think some of the facts
that people are arguing about now are precisely, or generally,
confirmed on the record by the President himself, Sec. Rumsfeld
or others.
I think that the White House is uneasy that I've reported that
the decision on war was made earlier than they had previously
claimed. I certainly stand by what I've written and I suspect in
a lifetime we will see memoirs by participants who in one way or
another will rehash the issues and the reporting that I've done
and then in effect say, "Guilty."
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Brooklyn, NY: Did you get a sense during the administration's
Iraq planning period that they may have been driven by fear of
another domestic attack?
Bob Woodward: Sure. It was always overhanging, it still does
today. If you talk to the intelligence people they will say its
going to happen again.
There is a scene in the book when the President is told of the
possibility that Osama bin Laden might have some version of a
nuclear weapon and he orders CIA Director Tenet to fly to
Pakistan to find out what's going on.
The worries about more terrorism and even more catastrophic
terrorism are embedded in everything they do.
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Louisville, Ky.: I have only read the excerpts available so far
in The Washington Post, but I don't get the feeling that the
military brass were weighing in very much about whether they
thought the Iraq military option was either feasible or
desirable, at least in the context of the war on terror. Can you
comment on this? Thanks you.
washingtonpost.com: Plan of Attack Excerpts
Bob Woodward: Well, the military did address the plan and General
Franks, the commander, repeatedly told the President that we
would win the war.
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Arlington, VA: Sir,
You said that you "wanted to get the book done before the
election and the high election season," but went on to say
that you aren't trying to influence anything. Could you please
explain?
P.S. Who is Deep Throat?
Bob Woodward: A book with such detail and intimate accounts of
what happened will get inevitably caught in the partisan
crossfire, as it already has. As we all know, the partisan
crossfire gets more intense each week up to the election and I
did not want to be caught in that crossfire any more than
necessary.
P.S. Someone finally was willing to ask.
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Milford, Conn.: Absent 9/11, would Bush have declared war on
Iraq? Would the no-fly-zone violations have provided sufficient
justification?
Bob Woodward: Without 9/11 I'm pretty sure there would not have
been a war with Iraq. The no-fly-zone violations had been dealt
with for more than a decade without a war.
The serious question could have arisen if an American pilot was
shot down and captured. In some conceivable scenario, that might
have led to war, but as Bush said when I interviewed him, the
wake-up call of 9/11 and the realization that American homeland
could be attacked changed the whole context for the President.
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London, U.K.: Hi Bob
Many people in Britain view Bush as a great danger to world
peace. The doctrine of preemptive strikes, the support of
Israel's continued occupation of Palestinian territory, the
wanton destruction of dozens of international agreements... it's
very frightening.
To what extent do you believe Bush has made the world a safer
place?
Bob Woodward: I don't know. And that's an interesting question
and only going to be settled in the months and years ahead. At
the end of 3-1/2 hours of interviews with him, I asked him how he
thought history would judge his Iraq war and he smiled and said,
"History, we won't know. We'll all be dead."
I've had some calls and e-mails asking did he somehow mean that
we're not all going to survive. What he meant in the context of
the question which was stated was and he said, the judgment of
history is way off, 10 years or more and when that judgment is
finally made it will be so long that we will all be departed.
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Sykesville, Maryland: Mr. Woodward, I have not yet read the book,
am looking forward to doing so. Did any of the principals you
spoke to address in any detail our exit strategy for Iraq beyond
the June 30 transfer of sovereignty to Iraq?
I'm not expecting the Administration will address this question
explicitly in an election year, but were there any discussions of
possible timelines for troop withdrawal, establishment of an
Iraqi infrastructure, etc?
Bob Woodward: I did not explore those questions in-depth. And in
fact, as we get close to June 30, it seems like the answers are
still not being given and there's the high likelihood that is
because they don't know.
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Carrboro, N.C.: Tell me more about the mints... I love the mint
thing.
On the other hand, what is your forecast of how your access to
the administration will be viewed once the dust starts settling?
Do you think your books will be a sober damning of a stumble in
American presidential leadership or a glorifying of rugged
American leadership in the face of adversity?
I understand you are no prophet, but can you please try to stay
away from the ambiguous (non-)answer to this question?
Bob Woodward: I can only be myself and honesty requires
ambiguity.
On the mints -- the mints were laid out in the Pentagon while
Bush was president elect and had a military briefing and he
gobbled up a number of the mints. Maybe they weren't feeding him
very well during that period. And it also is possible that he has
a sweet tooth that no one has heretofore unveiled.
On the question to how people will react to this book, we'll
paraphrase the president. We won't know, we'll all be old.
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Washington, D.C.: How were you able to obtain so much detailed,
in-depth information from the administration that is famous for
being tight-lipped and secretive?
Bob Woodward: The president wanted this story told and I had the
year really to do the reporting and go back to people and back
again and in many cases asking about new information that I had.
In fact, as best I can tell, no other sitting president has been
interviewed so extensively -- I asked hundreds of questions, all
of which he answered or attempted to answer.
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Kansas City, Mo.: Does President Bush believe he has made no
mistakes regarding war in Iraq, or is he too afriad to admit to
any? Assess his character on this, please.
Bob Woodward: Of course the President, like all of us, has made
mistakes. I was surprised he couldn't come up with some at his
recent press conference. It is always better, I think, as people
know from their own personal lives and from history to
acknowledge mistakes. The acknowledgment can show strength and
understanding, rather than a weakness.
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Washington DC: Mr. Woodward,
Looking back at your reporting and writing of the first book
about President Bush, what was your biggest mistake?
Bob Woodward: I probably should have spent a little more time
asking about pre-9/11, but when the President told me that he was
"not on point" and acknowledged that there was no plan
ready to deal with bin Laden and al Qaeda, I should have gone
deeper.
I also should have explored the role of the Pentagon, Rumsfeld
and the military more. I should have done more interviews.
You never finish a project like that. It has been suggested that
a book is never complete, it is only abandoned. That's not really
true, but you get to a practical limit and my inclination is
always to do more reporting, which tends to make the books
longer. This one may be 100 pages longer than "Bush at
War." Guilty.
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washingtonpost.com: That concludes today's discussion. Thanks for
joining us.